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[touch actions] handwriting manipulation type to distinguish panning #516
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See also #512 |
Hey @flackr, I reviewed the link you posted about If I understand correctly, the benefit of the I noticed you mentioned stylus writing in that comment, but I don't see a clear and concise way to separate the two behaviors (scrolling and handwriting) with For this proposal the goal would be to enable developers to specify whether scrolling and/or handwriting are allowed independently. So the developer could allow neither, either, or both (with UA defined precedence, likely handwriting over scrolling). cc: @mustaqahmed |
I really like both the ideas here: independent control and precedence. Today in PEWG we also discussed the need for a fallback option when the page specifies |
I think I'm not fine addressing those issues later. At least we need to consider what all issues there can be if there are no reasonable fallbacks. |
If a developer specifies This doesn't just apply for devices that don't support handwriting. If you specify |
Dropping this here for interest/context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nELac-Wgo0 |
It doesn't seem fine. Since one can't detect whether handwriting is supported or not, part of the page would be just unusable. |
Whether handwriting is supported or not, that part of the page would not be scrollable. I get that you're making an argument that they set handwriting because they assumed that you'd want to write in that area, but there's no difference in terms of scrolling functionality just as if There is a separate question of priority. E.g. even if both actions are allowed can you scroll over an area that accepts handwriting and/or can you write over an area that is scrollable. However, I do think touch-action or a related pointer-action is the right property for this. Developers are already using |
I agree with @flackr's argument that the intention of @smaug---- do you have a use case in mind that would make page unusable? |
I'd imagine a long page with lots of text fields, like a long form ... if each of those inputs (possibly even their containers with some extra padding around them) was set to handwriting, and the device didn't support it, then users would find it very difficult/impossible to scroll/vertically pan the page, as they'd need to try and grab any bits of page between the form fields/containers only |
The same breakage would apply to devices that do support handwriting. Wouldn't it? |
Ah, true. So it's more of a potential developer footgun in general - once you specify that an area is just going to react to handwriting, nothing else will happen (and with the current way that |
Once you specify that an area is only going to react to handwriting. It reacts to handwriting by default, nothing needs to be specified. This is why the developer advocacy would point out that you should be saying This is similar to how we react to pinch-zoom by default but if you say |
+1 for An unfortunate side-effect is any sites that might want handwriting which already specify On the BlinkOn slide #21, I included this concept with a format similar to I'm imagining this CSS
For the PR I'll be drafting this week, I plan to simply add |
Summary
Opening an issue to discuss options and alternatives to allow developers control over whether handwriting input should be allowed for elements the user agent supports handwriting input with.
Updates
Introduction
Give developers granular per-document and per-element control over which content should (dis)allow handwriting input for elements which the user agent supports handwriting to text input for.
Earlier created a proposal to introduce an HTML handwriting attribute, however upon review
touch-action
was noted as the preferred mechanism for enabling/disabling touch behaviors.Currently Android uses the combination of both
pan-x pan-y
as the mechanism to allow handwriting on eligible fields.However, this means that scrolling and handwriting are tied together, so turning off panning will turn off both handwriting and touch scrolling.
What this is
What this is not
Use Cases
composition{start|end|update}
events, or if for any reason the experience designed by website authors doesn't behave as they intend when handwriting input is available.Pros
touch-action
CSS property, developers can choose to enable handwriting or not.touch-action: manipulation
to allow stylus handwriting, and both touch scrolling and touch zoomtouch-action: pinch-zoom handwriting
to allow stylus handwriting and touch zoom, but disallow scrollingtouch-action: pinch-zoom pan-x pan-y
to allow scrolling and touch zoom, but disallow handwritingCons
touch-action
and may need treatment to enable handwriting if used in the context of editable text.auto
,inherit
, ormanipulation
on editable text or ancestors of them will need to be considered by site developers.See also:
Previous HTML Attribute proposal:
The HTML attribute proposal is a competing standards proposal and has been abandoned in favor of this CSS touch-action standards proposal. However, the discussions around the HTML attribute are still relevant here so including them here.
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